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Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2)
Message de marie11 posté le 14-11-2007 à 17:34:36 (S | E | F | I)
Bonjour.
Voici le second volet de cette histoire.
Niveau :
Correction : mercredi 21 novembre 2007
Au contraire, Miss Brittle pensait qu'elle devait être d'autant plus tolérante. Avec les années, Wilson était devenu plus intransigeant, alors que Miss Brittle comprenait de mieux en mieux la décision d'Arthur. Wilson avait même dit qu'il ne voulait plus entendre parler de son cadet, l'accusant de la mort de leur vieille mère, décédée à peine sept jours après le départ d'Arthur.
Comme très certainement leur défunte mère l'aurait fait en d'autres occasions, Miss Brittle essaya de convaincre Wilson que ce départ n'avait aucunement abrégé la vie de Mrs Loveheart. Un jour, Wilson excédé avait même osé dire à sa soeur aînée : « Arrête de parler ainsi, on dirait notre pauvre mère !»
Il trouvait par ailleurs que son jeune frère n'avait pas assez profité de la vie et qu'il aurait été bien plus heureux s'il avait épousé leur cousine Emma.
Message de marie11 posté le 14-11-2007 à 17:34:36 (S | E | F | I)
Bonjour.
Voici le second volet de cette histoire.
Niveau :
Correction : mercredi 21 novembre 2007
Au contraire, Miss Brittle pensait qu'elle devait être d'autant plus tolérante. Avec les années, Wilson était devenu plus intransigeant, alors que Miss Brittle comprenait de mieux en mieux la décision d'Arthur. Wilson avait même dit qu'il ne voulait plus entendre parler de son cadet, l'accusant de la mort de leur vieille mère, décédée à peine sept jours après le départ d'Arthur.
Comme très certainement leur défunte mère l'aurait fait en d'autres occasions, Miss Brittle essaya de convaincre Wilson que ce départ n'avait aucunement abrégé la vie de Mrs Loveheart. Un jour, Wilson excédé avait même osé dire à sa soeur aînée : « Arrête de parler ainsi, on dirait notre pauvre mère !»
Il trouvait par ailleurs que son jeune frère n'avait pas assez profité de la vie et qu'il aurait été bien plus heureux s'il avait épousé leur cousine Emma.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de zodiac97500, postée le 15-11-2007 à 01:48:41 (S | E)
Bonsoir Marie11
On the contrary , Mrs Brittle was thinking that she had to become more tolerant . Years passing by ,Wilson had become more flinty ,
as at in the mean time Miss Brittle was understanding better and better Arthur 's decision .Wilson had even said that he didn't ever want to hear about his cadet , blaming him about the death of their old mother , dying just seven days after Arthur 's departure . As their departed mother would have probably done in other occasions , Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that this departure had never shortened the life of Mrs Loveheart . One day , wilson restived had even dared to say to his elder sister
( Stop talking this way , we could tell it's our mother " talking " )
In the mean time , he did find that his young brother had not made the most of his life and that he would have been more happy
getting married with their cousin Emma .
Thank you
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de aud18, postée le 15-11-2007 à 11:39:24 (S | E)
Bonjour Marie11,
On the contrary, Miss Brittle was thinking she had to be all the more tolerant. Years passed by, Wilson had become more intransigent, whereas Miss Brittle understood better and better Arthur's decision. Wilson had even said he no more wanted to hear about his younger, accusing him of the death of their old mother, hardly died seven days after Arthur’s left.
As probably their late mother would have done on others occasion, Miss Brittle tried to persuade Wilson that this departure hadn’t in the least put an hand on Mrs Loveheart’s life. One day, Wilson exasperated as he was even dare say to his elder sister : “ Stop speaking like this, it looks like our missed mother !”
Moreover he found his younger brother hadn’t enough taken advantage of life and he would have been happier if he had married with their cousin Emma.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de johannes, postée le 15-11-2007 à 12:34:04 (S | E)
Hello Marie11 !!!
Thank you so much for this exciting exercice, I did my best, but really looking forward to your corrections !
here it is :
"In contrast to him, Miss Brittle used to think she had to be all the more understanding. Over the years, Wilson had become more uncompromising, when Miss Brittle was understanding Arthur's decision better and better.
Wilson had even said he would not hear from his youngest brother anymore, accusing him of their old mother's death, passed away barely seven days after his leaving.
As the deceased mother would have most probably done in other circmstances, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that the depart did not shorten Mrs Loveheart's life at all.
One day, exasperated, Wilson even dared say to his eldest sister : "Stop speaking so, you sound like our poor mother !"
In other respects, he used to think that his little brother did not enjoy his life enough and that he would have been much happier if he had marry their cousin Emma."
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de violet91, postée le 15-11-2007 à 13:27:08 (S | E)
Thank you for this following part,On the contrary,Miss Brittle thought she'd better be more open-minded. With time passing,Wilson had become more inflexible,whereas Miss Brittle could understand Arthur's choice better and better. Wilson had even told her that he would not hear of his younger brother anymore,blaming him for the death of their old mother who had actually died within seven days after Arthur's leaving (for good).
As their late mother would have most probably done in other circumstances,Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson THAT departure had certainly nothing to do with the shortening of Mrs Loveheart's life. One day,Wilson,fed up with all that fuss , had even dared utter to his eldest sister: -"Stop talking nonsense,you just sound like Poor Mother,you know!" Moreover,he thought his young brother had not had enough benefit of life and would have been so much happier if he had married their (girl)cousin Emma.
Looking forward to the "last" episode.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de nefertiti, postée le 15-11-2007 à 17:32:24 (S | E)
Hello Marie,
On the contrary, Miss Brittle thought she had to be all the more tolerant. By the years, Wilson had become more uncompromising, while Miss Brittle was understanding better and better the decision of Arthur. Wilson even said he did not want hearing something about his younger brother, accusing him for the death of their old mother, died only seven days after Arthur's leaving. As very certainly their died mother would do in other situations, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that leaving had not shortened the life of Mrs Loveheart at all. One day, Wilson, irritated, has dared to say at her elder sister : "Stop talking like that, it seems our poor mother". Otherwise, he found that his young brother did not profit from the life and he would be much happier if he was married with their cousin Emma.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de lakata, postée le 16-11-2007 à 15:18:11 (S | E)
Hello Marie !
On the contrary, Miss Brittle thought she should be all the more tolerant. With time, Wilson had become more intransigent, whereas Miss Brittle had better and better understood Arthur's decision. Wilson had even said he never wanted to hear about his younger brother, blaming him for their old mother's death, died only seven days after Arthur had left.
As their late mother would have most likely done in other circumstances, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that this departure had nothing to do with Mrs Loveheart's life shortening. One day, Wilson, furious, had even dared say to his elder sister : "Stop talking this way, it sounds like our poor mother !".
Furthermore, he found his younger brother hadn't enough made the most of life and would certainly be much happier if he had married their cousin Emma.
Thank you Marie.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de maya92, postée le 16-11-2007 à 16:14:10 (S | E)
Hello marie,
On the contrary, Miss Brittle thought she had to be even more tolerant. With years passing, Wilson had become more intransigent while Miss Brittle could understand Arthur's decision better and better. Wilson had even said he did not want to hear about his younger brother, blaming him for the death of their old mother who died hardly a week after Arthur's departure.
As their late mother would have very likely done in other occasions, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson of the fact that that departure had in no way put an end to Mrs Loveheart's life. One day, Wilson, furious, had eved dared tell his elder sister : "Stop talking like that, you sound like our poor mother".
Moreover, he thought his young brother had not made the most of his life and that he would have been far happier had he married their cousin Emma.
thank you very much marie, we're now waiting eagerly for the end of the story.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de ariane6, postée le 16-11-2007 à 20:40:31 (S | E)
Bonjour Marie11,
On the contrary, Miss Brittle thought she had all the more reason to be tolerant. Getting older, Wilson had become more inflexible meanwhile Miss Brittle was understanding the Arthur's decision better and better. Wilson had even said he didn’t want to hear about his younger brother anymore, blaming him for the death of their old mother who had passed away only seven days after he went.
Very certainly, as their late mother would have done in similar circumstances, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that his leaving hadn’t actually shortened Mrs Loveheart’s life.
One day Wilson was overexcited and dared to tell his eldest sister :”Stop saying that, it sounds like our late mother”.
What is more, he was thinking that his younger brother hadn’t enjoyed enough his life and he would have been much happier if he had married his cousin Emma.
beaucoup.Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de nanette33, postée le 16-11-2007 à 23:12:52 (S | E)
Hello Marie,
On the contrary, Miss Brittle thought she had to be particularly tolerant. With years, Wilson had become more strict, while Miss Brittle was understanding better and better the Arthur's decision. Wilson had even said he wouldn't hear anymore of his younger brother, blaming him of their old mother's death, died hardly seven days after Arthur's leaving.
As very certainly their late mother would have done it in other occasions, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that this leaving hadn't shortened not at all the Mrs Loveheart's life. One day, Wilson, exaspered, had even dared tell his elder sister "stop speaking like this, it sounds like our poor mother!".
He thought besides that his young brother hadn't enough enjoyed life and he would have been happier if he had married their cousin Emma.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de coferam, postée le 18-11-2007 à 20:19:38 (S | E)
Bonsoir Marie11
On the contrary, Mlle Brittle thought she had to be all the more tolerant. Over the years, Wilson had become more intransigent, whereas Mlle Brittle understood better and better the decision from arthur. Wilson had even said that he did not want any more to hear from his junior, accusing him of the death of their old mother, who died just seven days after the departure of Arthur.
Like most certainly their dead mother would have done on other occasions, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson this departure hadn't at all abbreviated life of Mrs. Loveheart. One day, Wilson had exceeded even dared to tell her older sister: "Stop talking as well, it looks like our poor mother!"
He in addition found that his younger brother had not quite taken advantage of life and he would have been much happier if he had married their cousin Emma.
Merci.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de marie11, postée le 21-11-2007 à 16:31:03 (S | E)
Bonjour.
Quelques remarques préliminaires:
I- All the more ...(..as)
Le comparatif est précédé de l'adverbe "the"; la seconde proposition, qui exprime une cause, peut être introduite par AS - SINCE - ou - BECAUSE
«He felt the more /all the more depressed as all friends were away.
II- Within ...(..of)
peut exprimer la période à l'expiration de laquelle l'action a été ou aura été accomplie.
« He died within a month of his wife's death.»
Il est mort dans le mois qui suivit la mort de sa femme.
III-
Late :
Her late husband/the late president ... used only before a noun of a person no longer alive.
IV-
To make the most of sth : To take full advantage of something because it may not last long.
It's a lovely day - We must make the most of it.
make the most of ──► profiter de.
On peut aussi employer:
to profit from /to benefit from
« I profited enormously from working with her.»
« I feel that I have benefited greatly from her help.»
V- To think
Ce verbe admet DEUX constructions selon le sens de la phrase.
1- to think = réfléchir à, songer à
« What are you thinking of ? » ──► À quoi songez-vous ?
2- to think = croire, avoir une opinion, alors dans ce cas on peut le remplacer par "to believe" et c'est alors un verbe sans forme progressive
« I think he's wrong.» ──► Je pense/crois qu'il a tort.(c'est mon opinion)
VI- To dare
On connaît dare auxiliaire de modalité.
Dare est aussi un verbe lexical.
Il est alors suivi d'un infinitif avec ou sans to.
« I wonder how he dared to say such a thing .»
Je me demande comment il a osé dire une chose pareille.
Suivi d'une proposition infinitive il est synonyme de "to challenge"
« He dared me to dive from the pier.»
Il m'a mis au défi de plonger du haut de la jetée.
Voici ma proposition.
On the contrary, Miss Brittle thought she'd to be all the more tolerant. With the years, Wilson had become more uncompromising, whereas Miss Brittle understood Arthur's decision better and better. Wilson had even said that he did not want to hear about his younger brother any more, and accused him of the death of their old mother who had died within seven days after Arthur's departure.
As their late mother would most likely have done on other occasions, Miss Brittle tried to convince Wilson that, that departure had in no way shortened Mrs Loveheart's life. One day, Wilson, irritated, had even dared to say to his elder sister: « Stop talking like that, you sound like our poor mother !» Besides, he found that his younger brother had not taken advantage enough of life and that he would have been much happier if he had married their cousin Emma.
Je vous remercie de votre participation.
Je répondrai très volontiers à toute question concernant ce sujet.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de johannes, postée le 22-11-2007 à 17:54:26 (S | E)
chère Marie,
concernant l'exercice Theme(2)(anglais) que vous venez de corriger, je me pose la question suivante :
"whereas Miss Brittle understood Arthur's decision better and better"
pourquoi "understood", quand "better and better" indiquent une durée, me semble-t-il en tout cas ?
Merci d'avance pour votre réponse, et brava ancora per i problemi messi su questo forum !
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de marie11, postée le 22-11-2007 à 18:52:20 (S | E)
Bonjour Johannes.
Enfin !!!.... Une question
Depuis que je répète cette sempiternelle formule :
« Je vous remercie de votre participation.
Je répondrai très volontiers à toute question concernant ce sujet.»
Quelqu'un se décide à en poser une.
Et je me dois de le remercier, car sa question est très pertinente.
J'ai bien pensé à faire une remarque sur l'emploi du verbe "to think", mais j'ai omis involontairement, et je m'en excuse, de parler du verbe "to understand".
Les anglais attachent beaucoup plus d'importance à l'aspect qu'aux temps.
They played tennis yesterday morning (aspect pontuel)
They were playing tennis when it started raining (aspect progressif)
En français on traduit ces deux verbes par un imparfait.
La question est donc de savoir si l'on peut employer n'importe quel verbe à la forme progressive.
Je répondrai sans ambages non.
Il existe des verbes qui n'admettent pas de développement dans le temps.
Ce sont des verbes sans forme progressive.
Voici un lien qui vous donnera une liste non exhaustive de verbes sans forme progressive.
Lien Internet
le verbe "understand" en fait partie.
On écrira:
« He is getting better and better »
On ne pourra pas écrire :
« Miss Brittle was understanding better and better ......»
On écrira donc :
« Miss Brittle understood better and better......»
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de nanette33, postée le 22-11-2007 à 21:45:58 (S | E)
Merci Johannes pour cette question et merci Marie pour cette précision. Je me souviendrai de ce verbe.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de johannes, postée le 23-11-2007 à 09:34:39 (S | E)
Thank you, Marie !!
Au fond, l'anglais fonctionne fort comme le grec ancien, pour ce qui concerne cet aspect "ponctuel" du verbe...
J'ai d'autres questions alors, si vous me permettez...
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de johannes, postée le 23-11-2007 à 09:42:21 (S | E)
et voici...
"Wilson, irritated, had even dared to say to his elder sister"
pourquoi "elder" si le texte parle de 3 frères et soeurs ? mais peut-être une règle m'échappe...
dernière toute petite question : "on other occasions" ; j'ai pour ma part tendance à dire "in other occasions", erreur ?
merci encore !
ps : je prends bien note, je vous poserai un maximum de questions hé hé hé
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de marie11, postée le 23-11-2007 à 14:55:56 (S | E)
Bonjour Johannes.
Question(1) :
"Wilson, irritated, had even dared to say to his elder sister"
Pourquoi "elder" si le texte parle de 3 frères et soeurs ? mais peut-être une règle m'échappe...
Réponse :
En fait ils sont trois : une fille et deux garçons.
La fille, Miss Brittles, est l'aînée.
Lorsque l'un des deux frère parle de sa soeur, il la considère comme étant plus âgée que lui.
Il dit c'est ma soeur aînée.(il n'en a qu'une)
D'où
My elder sister.
My eldest sister signifierait qu'il a au moins deux soeurs plus âgées que lui.
Question(2)
Dernière toute petite question : "on other occasions" ; j'ai pour ma part tendance à dire "in other occasions", erreur ?
En anglais, les verbes , les adjectifs , les noms sont accompagnés de prépositions
C'est le cas du mot "occasion"
Voici des exemples :
I seem remember that on that occasion he was with his wife.
I have a suit but I only wear it on special occasion.
Notez les expressions:
1-On occasion = sometimes but not often
« I have on occasion visited her at home.»
2- On the occasion of = at the time of an important event
« On the occasion of her 50th birthday.
Réponse: Expression de la comparaison:Thème(2) de johannes, postée le 23-11-2007 à 16:20:41 (S | E)
Merci beaucoup Marie !
Je me joins aux autres pour réclamer quelques lignes encore de ce texte à traduire !
Je le soupçonne être un roman "rose" anglais du XIX s., ceci entre nous !
Have a nice evening !
Johannes
